Fourth Genre: Off the Page is back with the wonderful Kate Carroll de Gutes. Kate’s career began in journalism, before she found a home in the more creative efforts of nonfiction. Her work has appeared in the Los Angeles Review, Pank, Gertrude and others. Fourth Genre readers would know Kate for “And So You Begin Again for the First Time” from issue 14.2 as well as “What I Won’t Wear” and “What I Will Wear” from issue 16.1.

Our conversation with Kate discusses her work, specifically her essay in 14.2, alongside larger issues affecting the genre of creative nonfiction, such as truth versus fact.

Thank you for listening and enjoy episode four!

Note: After we stopped recording, Kate and I (Eric) continued our conversation about truth versus fact. She pointed out another difficulty often cited by her friend and mentor, Judith Kitchen — the fallibility of memory and that, as Kitchen says, the very act of remembering imposes a narrative order on the scaffold of facts on which one is building a story, thus shaping the truth.